Greater Phoenix Tea Party Patriots

Patriot Groups throughout the Maricopa and North Pinal County area.

When I look at all the activity on Tea Party sites and then see how the political landscape remains the same, it’s clear that we’re not effective. Many Tea Party organizations seem to be only a forum featuring the same old gripe sessions with the same old gripes: Obama’s turning us into a socialist, communist, authoritarian, Fascist or other type of nation; he’s killing the economy; he’s spying on citizens and keeping enemies lists; he’s running operations against his own country and all the rest of it – and it’s all true. Then there’s the “Boehner’s a traitor” dialogue. Boehner’s this, that or the other thing, none of it good. Ditto McCain, Graham, the New England senators and , heck, you know the rest because you see it in print and read it every day, day in and day out – and it’s all true. Breitbart, Fox, CNSnews, Drudge, Daily Caller and a host of other sites we know which bypass the mainstream media give us the updates on the daily outrages. Rush, Hannity and their wannabes keep it all alive on AM radio across the nation day and night – and it’s all true.


The info from this alternative media, the dialogue and the networking the Tea Party sites provide is terrific and vital, but...we’re not drawing conclusions and then doing anything about it. We’re paralyzed. At least, we’re not doing the obvious thing…

What’s the obvious thing to do?

Form a party to replace the GOP!

This is all happening because of the GOP, the Republican Party establishment. There’s no other reason for it. The Democrats are who they are and they aren’t going to change. However, we can control our side. Yet, with the opportunities when the GOP held power a few years back and with the opportunities since they took the House majority, what conservative action has this party accomplished? I mean accomplished, not spoken about. Since 1994 what conservative legislation have they won which still stands? What government agencies have they cut? Where have they reeled in regulations? Have you ever heard a senior Republican call a Democrat the things that Establishment figures called Sarah Palin? Ever hear failed presidential candidate Senator McCain call Democrats out, accusing them of racism or any of the things that get hurled at us by Democrats? What about senate minority leader McConnell? It doesn’t happen. They save all their vitriol, all their outrage for conservative Republicans. For those few of you who missed it, that destructive aggression against members of their own party was front and center during the GOP presidential primaries last year. The GOP leadership also helped to pummel conservatives by getting their surrogates in the press to do their dirty work. Can you imagine otherwise why Candy Crowley would be permitted to be involved in Republican primary debates, or any other of the liberal talking heads? And why not Rush Limbaugh, David Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Mark Stein, Ann Coulter, Walter Williams, Hannity or any of many, many conservatives, intellectual or otherwise? All these GOP leaders can come up with is Candy Crowley and people like her? There’s a reason for that… When the GOP leadership enables Democrats (by failing to stop them or by voting with them in enough numbers to ensure the bill passes) and bashes conservatives, ladies and gentlemen…isn’t there a clear, even very clear message there?

So why are we paralyzed? Why haven’t we replaced the GOP? There are several reasons, but here are the two main reasons: People who want to maintain the status quo, those who like what’s going on now and merely pose as “conservatives” tell us “third parties always lose”. Well, no, they don’t. The GOP was a third party which started up in 1854 when the nation was as divided on slavery as it is divided today on other issues. In six years, they had replaced the Whig party and had a president in the White House. That’s not failure! Like today, they had both numbers and a valid reason to found the new party: the Whigs weren’t strong enough in their anti-slavery stance.

The other reason these “conventional wisdom” slingers tell us we can’t form a new party is that “we’ll split the vote!” OMG, not that!!!! (Ladies and gents, looking at our political landscape, what difference would it matter if it was “split”? The Democrats win anyway. They even won when we had the House, Senate and White House!). Even so, with the new party and its commitment to conservative values, it’s doubtful that the votes would be split. Conservatives would likely win. The new party would replace the GOP, which would then wither away as the Whigs did. However, even if the vote actually did split somehow, and yet a new party got off the ground which replaced the GOP, it would still be a win because we know that if we fail to replace the GOP, we can only expect more of the same: more losses, more double-talk, more legislative thrashings. The Establishment and their surrogates have been using fear to keep us in line, yet having established that new party, we would certainly prevail in the next round of elections. Here’s why…

A 2012 Pew Research Poll says that 66% of registered Republicans identify themselves as conservatives. Gallup’s 2012 poll shows that 71% call themselves “conservatives”. A year or so ago there were approximately 55 million registered Republicans. That’s anywhere from 36-39 million upset Republican voters. Of course this doesn’t count the Independents. Following last year’s pathetic election campaign show, I re-registered as an Independent. It seems that most Independents are also “conservatives”, perhaps in a like or higher percentage than those among registered Republicans. Finally, take a look at the approval ratings for congress in general: it’s a bleak picture. Republican voters are not happy with their choices.

RINOs know they can – and do – routinely lie to us and remain in office as they also remain in good standing with the party. Ever notice how just enough of them defect, voting with Democrats at important junctures, to get the big issue to go the Democrats’ way? It’s a calculation. They can decide who is safe enough in their district to make such a vote and get re-elected in spite of it. The rest vote with the party platform, but still, because of the few, the Democrats win the day. As for those who voted with the Democrats, they know that come election time, when we’re faced with voting for them or the Democrat challenger, we’ll vote for them. So, what good is a party platform – the statements we rely on when we go to the polls – when members of that party can vote in opposition to it without consequence?

Speaker of the House Boehner hosted a closed-door meeting with Republican congressmen recently on the amnesty bill. I strongly suspect it was to make just such a calculation. That is, that they were trying to find out who could safely vote with the Democrats on the Amnesty Bill, guaranteeing its passage, while the rest voted against. Why else would the meeting have been “behind closed doors”? Who are they keeping the content of the discussion from? Democrat congressmen? What would it matter if they heard it? It won’t change how anyone votes. Is it a matter of national security? No. Then who are they keeping the discussion from? Whose ears is it not meant for? It’s you and me who are not supposed to hear the talk! It is we Republican voters who they want to be sure don’t hear the conversation. How do you like your party now?

We often think of our elected officials as responsible to us. Really? How are they responsible? How do you explain McCain, Rubio, Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, the two Bush presidents (“read my lips…”) and others past and present? They are not at all answerable to us. We’re told “you can vote them out” and yes, that’s true. The reality, however, is that the Establishment circles the wagons around such people and sends in extra money to defeat conservative primary challengers. (slightly different context, but didn’t we just see that money pour in for former lobbyist and RINO congressman Jeff Flake in order to defeat conservative challenger Will Cardon?) Having defeated the conservative primary challenger we’re stuck with voting to (re)elect them or voting for the Democrat. In the case of senators, in for six years, a lot of people forget just how bad they were over that time and the money coming in at election time takes care of the rest. That’s not enough to make people truly accountable. Let’s make it so they are truly accountable, now – without waiting for the next election and its results.

The new party – call it the New Founders Party – will have rules with teeth. Here is the main one: the party sets the national agenda and puts it in print at campaign time. Its candidates campaign on that agenda and sign a publicly available pledge to maintain and uphold that agenda. If they attain office and then fail to honor that pledge – say, turning around on Amnesty or the Farm Bill and voting with Democrats for example– they are immediately expelled from the party, no second chances, no re-admittance as a candidate. Of course, they would remain in office for the rest of their term, but they would lose their committee seats and their chances of re-election would be slim to none. What we would end up with would be people who we could count on to vote the way we would want them to vote, the way they led us to believe that they would vote when they asked us to put them in office. Now they work for us! Now they are answerable! Now they are accountable to us!

Who among us does whatever he wants at work for his paycheck, from top corporate executives in Fortune 500 companies to people doing manual day labor? If we don’t do what we are told and deliver the service we were hired to perform, we are fired! Why should congress be any different? There is no valid reason. This idea for a new party is such a simple idea, one wonders how we ever allowed ourselves to get to this point. Yet here we are. Is our plan to simply lay down and let the Democrats, the unions, the RINO leadership and their lobbies run us over and steal our nation for themselves while we stand around griping about it? Or are you willing to change your thinking and act in the formation of a party to replace the GOP? It’s up to us. Waiting for the GOP or listening to them is a waste of time. If they were going to change, it would have happened long ago. Haven’t we listened long enough? Haven’t we played Charlie Brown to their Lucy, having the football yanked away at the last minute, leaving us heaving on our backs – haven’t we played that role long enough? Haven’t we held our noses and tried to quiet our stomachs when we voted yet again for a GOP senator only because we thought of him or her as the lesser of two evils? Hasn’t that gone on long enough? Have we failed to understand the message of the 2012 GOP presidential primaries? When you hear Republican leaders tell us what they are going to do, simply put, how on Earth can you any longer believe them? Are they even talking about doing what needs to be done? Unfortunately the answer to both is a resounding “no!”

The Boston Tea Party and the men who took part in it were the agents of change who went on, unafraid, to fight and defeat the King of England and found the United States. Our fight is a different fight, but the stakes are the same: freedom, liberty and the guiding precepts of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. We call ourselves “Tea Party”. Let’s act “Tea Party”. Let’s be those agents of change. Let’s do what we know in our hearts is required and found a new party dedicated to winning for everyone, but especially, to winning that which is right and correct for a free people.

Jeff Dover
July 17, 2013

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Thank you for stating, I agree 100%. Just posting name "tea party" does nothing and eventually disintegrates. There is nothing growing therefore it is dying.. Phoenix did well when started then GOP stole their mojo, then members saw and left. Reposting what's available everywhere else is NOT activity. I realize there are very tricky IRS and laws stifling, but if we're not going to carry out any actions, use of the name only makes irrelevant. This should be a place to get flake and mccain recalled, but it's more like a stifling machine. We need a simple committee of 3 or 4 people with some abilities and NOTHING.

JEFF, WHAT A TERRIFIC ARTICLE, VERY INSIGHTFUL, BUT IF WE ARE ABLE TO SET-UP A NEW PATY WE WOULD NEED A "LEADER" ONE WITH THE RESPECT OF THE PEOPLE.  I FEEL, THAT TODAY PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF CHANGE, AND WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THE LOW-INFORMED.  THE GOP WOULD PUT UP SUCH A FIGHT THAT WOULD SEND ANY PATRIOTIC PERSON RUNNING.  AGAIN, I FEEL, UNLESS WE HAVE TOP GOP SENATORS, AND CONGRESS PEOPLE DEFECTING, OUR CHANCES ARE SLIM. 

There is a lot of talk about the FREEDOM PARTY http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sarah-palin-bolt-gop-creat...

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/06/62424-freedom-party-sarah-palin-ope...    I think it's time to shake things up and let the GOP know enough !

Thanks, Karen,

We'll need leaders, for sure.  I'm looking...  As for the GOP putting up a fight, well, good for them.  Unfortunately they cannot point to any victories.  Getting elected isn't a victory.  Winning policies, winning the right legislation, achieving conservative goals following election -- those are victories.  Jeff Flake got elected.  We might as well have elected his opponent.  Ditto John McCain.  I don't think the GOP has much to point to in terms of what we and millions of other conservatives would consider "achievement".  Even now, the GOP's "strategy" is about getting more Republicans.  What does that matter if the result is liberal policy?  Their focus -- for us, anyway -- is dead wrong.
 
Karen Gevaert said:

JEFF, WHAT A TERRIFIC ARTICLE, VERY INSIGHTFUL, BUT IF WE ARE ABLE TO SET-UP A NEW PATY WE WOULD NEED A "LEADER" ONE WITH THE RESPECT OF THE PEOPLE.  I FEEL, THAT TODAY PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF CHANGE, AND WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THE LOW-INFORMED.  THE GOP WOULD PUT UP SUCH A FIGHT THAT WOULD SEND ANY PATRIOTIC PERSON RUNNING.  AGAIN, I FEEL, UNLESS WE HAVE TOP GOP SENATORS, AND CONGRESS PEOPLE DEFECTING, OUR CHANCES ARE SLIM. 

Grits, I went to your web-sites, very interesting.  I agree with Sara Palin, maybe she is our "Leader."  FEAR, we need to overcome, courage, our saving grace.

Interesting about Palin, but she's hard to reach! The truth is that most registered Republican voters identify themselves as "conservatives".  Thus, it's a conservative party now, but it's been taken over and run by unprincipled liberals.  They won't give it up.  A break-away party -- properly conceived -- will leave the GOP in the dust and that bunch of self-serving, so-called "leaders", ambassadors without portfolio.
 
Grits said:

There is a lot of talk about the FREEDOM PARTY http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sarah-palin-bolt-gop-creat...

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/06/62424-freedom-party-sarah-palin-ope...    I think it's time to shake things up and let the GOP know enough !

Nothing large can rely on "one person" leader. When that person gone, nothing left. The ideas and principles are what bring people together.. Yes right now Sarah is the most correct voice out there, but even she won't last forever..GOP is dying because the leaders took them away from platform. Go to AMERICAN PATRIOT PARTY and study, hey have started all the needed law abiding so if there aren;'t any others what are the choices?
 
Karen Gevaert said:

JEFF, WHAT A TERRIFIC ARTICLE, VERY INSIGHTFUL, BUT IF WE ARE ABLE TO SET-UP A NEW PATY WE WOULD NEED A "LEADER" ONE WITH THE RESPECT OF THE PEOPLE.  I FEEL, THAT TODAY PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF CHANGE, AND WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THE LOW-INFORMED.  THE GOP WOULD PUT UP SUCH A FIGHT THAT WOULD SEND ANY PATRIOTIC PERSON RUNNING.  AGAIN, I FEEL, UNLESS WE HAVE TOP GOP SENATORS, AND CONGRESS PEOPLE DEFECTING, OUR CHANCES ARE SLIM. 

The reason God created time was so not everything happened at once; and the reason He created so many people was so nobody had to hold the same belief as anybody else.

There are 266 Core Beliefs expressed in Sense of Citizens.

Nobody will hold fully to all of these beliefs, except me. But if you hold to most of them, then you are clearly a Constitutional Conservative… If you disagree with most of them, then you’re a Constitutional Subversive.

Rarely is such a huge notion so binary.

Constitutional Subversives love it when Constitutional Conservatives quibble among themselves as to who is more conservative and they would love nothing more than to see the Constitutional Conservatives splinter into various factions – this would let them progress their subversive agenda without resistance. 

We need to unite not divide.

Citizen Engdahl, Author of Sense of Citizens and advocate for a Restoration Rebellion.

I'm not sure I understand much of the foregoing, but I understand the need to unite.  Within the GOP, we conservatives are divided forcibly and run by the minority.  As for the constitution, I don't need another man's interpretation of it to know whether or not I believe in its precepts and dictates.  It's pretty plainly written and I'm quite literate, thank you.

Let's unite under a new banner with a party which stands for something.  We'll let the majority determine that party's direction.

Jeff, sometimes things have to be read twice with an open mind to be understood. So far we agree on one thing -- the need to unite conservatives. That is a start and as we get to know each other better, I am sure there will be many more things we can agree on.  

Aesop's fable about the bundle of sticks said it well. “An old man on the point of death summoned his sons around him to give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a bundle of sticks, and said to his eldest son: “Break it.” The son strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break the bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was successful. “Untie the bundle,” said the father, “and each of you, take a stick.” When they had done so, he called out to them: “Now, break,” and each stick was easily broken. “You see my meaning?” said their father, “Union gives Strength!”

There are two sticks and a twig in our Conservative Bundle: Republicans, Conservative Independents, and Libertarians. The strength of the Republican Stick is 32; the strength of the Conservative Independent Stick is 22; and the strength of the Libertarian Twig is less than 1.

So the strength of our Conservative Bundle is 54. In contrast the strength of the Democrat stick is 38. So we can see that the Subversives have enough power to break any individual stick in our bundle, but do not have enough strength to break our Bundle. We Conservatives together have enough strength to break the Subversive stick, but separately no stick in our bundle has the strength to break the Subversive Democrat stick . So it is obvious that the smartest thing we Conservatives can do is bundle our sticks; in other words, consolidate our power.

Consolidating power will not accomplished by creating another faction and then trying to convince all conservatives to join that faction (Libertarians have been trying that for years and look where it has gotten them). I think it would be more realistic to create a Union of Conservatives, an Aseop's Bundle". .

Citizen Engdahl, Sense of Citizens

I don't pretend to know what needs to be done, but we are in political trouble.  I feel that our present system is collapsing, and the bad guys are winning.  Our voting laws have been compromise, that showing a drivers license is discriminating, how are we to vote if the voting process is questionable.   We also have to deal with candidates who lie, who can we trust?  So many problems, no real answers.  

Karen: If we Conservatives considered only our threat and challenge, we might be discouraged. But as Americans we are very good at organization, especially in wartime situations, and we are blessed with the capability to create whatever additional resources we need as we need them. So whatever the threat and whatever the challenge, we are up for it and in the end, we can win. As General Eisenhower said when he was given the job of defeating Nazi Tyranny, “First we land, they we develop the resources we need to win.”   We have landed! Now let’s appraise our current resources and our need for further resource development. We can do this.

Sense of Citizens

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