When I look at all the activity on Tea Party sites and then see how the political landscape remains the same, it’s clear that we’re not effective. Many Tea Party organizations seem to be only a forum featuring the same old gripe sessions with the same old gripes: Obama’s turning us into a socialist, communist, authoritarian, Fascist or other type of nation; he’s killing the economy; he’s spying on citizens and keeping enemies lists; he’s running operations against his own country and all the rest of it – and it’s all true. Then there’s the “Boehner’s a traitor” dialogue. Boehner’s this, that or the other thing, none of it good. Ditto McCain, Graham, the New England senators and , heck, you know the rest because you see it in print and read it every day, day in and day out – and it’s all true. Breitbart, Fox, CNSnews, Drudge, Daily Caller and a host of other sites we know which bypass the mainstream media give us the updates on the daily outrages. Rush, Hannity and their wannabes keep it all alive on AM radio across the nation day and night – and it’s all true.


The info from this alternative media, the dialogue and the networking the Tea Party sites provide is terrific and vital, but...we’re not drawing conclusions and then doing anything about it. We’re paralyzed. At least, we’re not doing the obvious thing…

What’s the obvious thing to do?

Form a party to replace the GOP!

This is all happening because of the GOP, the Republican Party establishment. There’s no other reason for it. The Democrats are who they are and they aren’t going to change. However, we can control our side. Yet, with the opportunities when the GOP held power a few years back and with the opportunities since they took the House majority, what conservative action has this party accomplished? I mean accomplished, not spoken about. Since 1994 what conservative legislation have they won which still stands? What government agencies have they cut? Where have they reeled in regulations? Have you ever heard a senior Republican call a Democrat the things that Establishment figures called Sarah Palin? Ever hear failed presidential candidate Senator McCain call Democrats out, accusing them of racism or any of the things that get hurled at us by Democrats? What about senate minority leader McConnell? It doesn’t happen. They save all their vitriol, all their outrage for conservative Republicans. For those few of you who missed it, that destructive aggression against members of their own party was front and center during the GOP presidential primaries last year. The GOP leadership also helped to pummel conservatives by getting their surrogates in the press to do their dirty work. Can you imagine otherwise why Candy Crowley would be permitted to be involved in Republican primary debates, or any other of the liberal talking heads? And why not Rush Limbaugh, David Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Mark Stein, Ann Coulter, Walter Williams, Hannity or any of many, many conservatives, intellectual or otherwise? All these GOP leaders can come up with is Candy Crowley and people like her? There’s a reason for that… When the GOP leadership enables Democrats (by failing to stop them or by voting with them in enough numbers to ensure the bill passes) and bashes conservatives, ladies and gentlemen…isn’t there a clear, even very clear message there?

So why are we paralyzed? Why haven’t we replaced the GOP? There are several reasons, but here are the two main reasons: People who want to maintain the status quo, those who like what’s going on now and merely pose as “conservatives” tell us “third parties always lose”. Well, no, they don’t. The GOP was a third party which started up in 1854 when the nation was as divided on slavery as it is divided today on other issues. In six years, they had replaced the Whig party and had a president in the White House. That’s not failure! Like today, they had both numbers and a valid reason to found the new party: the Whigs weren’t strong enough in their anti-slavery stance.

The other reason these “conventional wisdom” slingers tell us we can’t form a new party is that “we’ll split the vote!” OMG, not that!!!! (Ladies and gents, looking at our political landscape, what difference would it matter if it was “split”? The Democrats win anyway. They even won when we had the House, Senate and White House!). Even so, with the new party and its commitment to conservative values, it’s doubtful that the votes would be split. Conservatives would likely win. The new party would replace the GOP, which would then wither away as the Whigs did. However, even if the vote actually did split somehow, and yet a new party got off the ground which replaced the GOP, it would still be a win because we know that if we fail to replace the GOP, we can only expect more of the same: more losses, more double-talk, more legislative thrashings. The Establishment and their surrogates have been using fear to keep us in line, yet having established that new party, we would certainly prevail in the next round of elections. Here’s why…

A 2012 Pew Research Poll says that 66% of registered Republicans identify themselves as conservatives. Gallup’s 2012 poll shows that 71% call themselves “conservatives”. A year or so ago there were approximately 55 million registered Republicans. That’s anywhere from 36-39 million upset Republican voters. Of course this doesn’t count the Independents. Following last year’s pathetic election campaign show, I re-registered as an Independent. It seems that most Independents are also “conservatives”, perhaps in a like or higher percentage than those among registered Republicans. Finally, take a look at the approval ratings for congress in general: it’s a bleak picture. Republican voters are not happy with their choices.

RINOs know they can – and do – routinely lie to us and remain in office as they also remain in good standing with the party. Ever notice how just enough of them defect, voting with Democrats at important junctures, to get the big issue to go the Democrats’ way? It’s a calculation. They can decide who is safe enough in their district to make such a vote and get re-elected in spite of it. The rest vote with the party platform, but still, because of the few, the Democrats win the day. As for those who voted with the Democrats, they know that come election time, when we’re faced with voting for them or the Democrat challenger, we’ll vote for them. So, what good is a party platform – the statements we rely on when we go to the polls – when members of that party can vote in opposition to it without consequence?

Speaker of the House Boehner hosted a closed-door meeting with Republican congressmen recently on the amnesty bill. I strongly suspect it was to make just such a calculation. That is, that they were trying to find out who could safely vote with the Democrats on the Amnesty Bill, guaranteeing its passage, while the rest voted against. Why else would the meeting have been “behind closed doors”? Who are they keeping the content of the discussion from? Democrat congressmen? What would it matter if they heard it? It won’t change how anyone votes. Is it a matter of national security? No. Then who are they keeping the discussion from? Whose ears is it not meant for? It’s you and me who are not supposed to hear the talk! It is we Republican voters who they want to be sure don’t hear the conversation. How do you like your party now?

We often think of our elected officials as responsible to us. Really? How are they responsible? How do you explain McCain, Rubio, Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, the two Bush presidents (“read my lips…”) and others past and present? They are not at all answerable to us. We’re told “you can vote them out” and yes, that’s true. The reality, however, is that the Establishment circles the wagons around such people and sends in extra money to defeat conservative primary challengers. (slightly different context, but didn’t we just see that money pour in for former lobbyist and RINO congressman Jeff Flake in order to defeat conservative challenger Will Cardon?) Having defeated the conservative primary challenger we’re stuck with voting to (re)elect them or voting for the Democrat. In the case of senators, in for six years, a lot of people forget just how bad they were over that time and the money coming in at election time takes care of the rest. That’s not enough to make people truly accountable. Let’s make it so they are truly accountable, now – without waiting for the next election and its results.

The new party – call it the New Founders Party – will have rules with teeth. Here is the main one: the party sets the national agenda and puts it in print at campaign time. Its candidates campaign on that agenda and sign a publicly available pledge to maintain and uphold that agenda. If they attain office and then fail to honor that pledge – say, turning around on Amnesty or the Farm Bill and voting with Democrats for example– they are immediately expelled from the party, no second chances, no re-admittance as a candidate. Of course, they would remain in office for the rest of their term, but they would lose their committee seats and their chances of re-election would be slim to none. What we would end up with would be people who we could count on to vote the way we would want them to vote, the way they led us to believe that they would vote when they asked us to put them in office. Now they work for us! Now they are answerable! Now they are accountable to us!

Who among us does whatever he wants at work for his paycheck, from top corporate executives in Fortune 500 companies to people doing manual day labor? If we don’t do what we are told and deliver the service we were hired to perform, we are fired! Why should congress be any different? There is no valid reason. This idea for a new party is such a simple idea, one wonders how we ever allowed ourselves to get to this point. Yet here we are. Is our plan to simply lay down and let the Democrats, the unions, the RINO leadership and their lobbies run us over and steal our nation for themselves while we stand around griping about it? Or are you willing to change your thinking and act in the formation of a party to replace the GOP? It’s up to us. Waiting for the GOP or listening to them is a waste of time. If they were going to change, it would have happened long ago. Haven’t we listened long enough? Haven’t we played Charlie Brown to their Lucy, having the football yanked away at the last minute, leaving us heaving on our backs – haven’t we played that role long enough? Haven’t we held our noses and tried to quiet our stomachs when we voted yet again for a GOP senator only because we thought of him or her as the lesser of two evils? Hasn’t that gone on long enough? Have we failed to understand the message of the 2012 GOP presidential primaries? When you hear Republican leaders tell us what they are going to do, simply put, how on Earth can you any longer believe them? Are they even talking about doing what needs to be done? Unfortunately the answer to both is a resounding “no!”

The Boston Tea Party and the men who took part in it were the agents of change who went on, unafraid, to fight and defeat the King of England and found the United States. Our fight is a different fight, but the stakes are the same: freedom, liberty and the guiding precepts of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. We call ourselves “Tea Party”. Let’s act “Tea Party”. Let’s be those agents of change. Let’s do what we know in our hearts is required and found a new party dedicated to winning for everyone, but especially, to winning that which is right and correct for a free people.

Jeff Dover
July 17, 2013

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JEFF IF YOU CAN NO LONGER TAKE ME SERIOUSLY, why are you asking me questions?

Oh well, for the sake of discussion I will answer your questions anyway.

The reason why Constitutional Conservatives need to pin their hopes on the Republican Party is because it is the real political party which represents them in the struggle against Constitutional Subversives. Independents are not a real political party, the Libertarians are an insignificant party, and your dream of an upstart third party will likely never come about. We are in a struggle right now against the Subversives and some will want to join that struggle to save our nation, while others will want to just sit on the sidelines and complain or dream about their utopia, or just watch. Jeff, I think you are a dreamer. 

The difference between me and you is that you dream of how you would like things to be, while I accept things the way they are and try my best to make improvements as I can. I am a Constitutional Conservative and I am willing to join with all other Constitutional Conservatives whether they are more or less conservative than me. You say you are a Constitutional Conservative, but you don't seem willing to join with anyone who is less conservative than you are. Remember, "If you want to stand only with those who agree with you, and you are more right than anyone else, you will be standing alone."

Yes I believe in the First Amendment Rights guaranteed by our Constitution. They are well summarized HERE. You have these rights and so do I.  

Finally, if you have to ask what a Constitutional Subversive is, then you probably are one.

DUANE

 

    

 

Jeff Dover said:

Duane, I can no longer take you seriously.  You offer no reason why any conservative should be happy with or continue to pin their hopes on the GOP and you tell me that because I reject their lies and phony baloney I'm a "constitutional subversive", whatever that is.  Do you believe in the First Amendment guarantees or only if you agree with the speech?  You appear to be exactly like the mainstream media, who, rather than discuss the substance of the message, attempt to demean the messenger.  Oh, and they often falsely accuse conservatives of doing exactly what they themselves do...

Tell us all, what defines a "constitutional subversive"?  Tell us also, based on past and present results, why any conservative should believe that the legislation he wants to see come about will do so as a result of GOP initiative?
 
Duane Engdahl said:

JEFF: You say your objective is "legislation we favor, nothing more complicated than that" -- that begs the question, what legislation would that be? Then you go on to say, "all we want is for Republicans to always vote for what we want."  -- that begs the question what is it that we always want? In my opinion that sounds quite collectivist to me. Are you sure you are a constitutional conservative and not a constitutional subversive? DUANE

 

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You are a constitutional subversive.  By your self-appointed authority, you call me by that name, so I'll dub myself with the same authority and say that I believe that you are a constitutional subversive (though how one subverts the constitution is a mystery to me.  It's probably like subverting the menu at McDonald's or something...)

 

Sorry, Duane.  I still can't take you seriously.

limbaugh etc are not conservatives(unless your talking about conserving their power base.. their market share)....just business men who give a rats ass for this country and its future

its time to wake up  and stop making cosmetic changes. 

Limbaugh would be just as happy to be an ESPN analyst again or own an NFL team....... sure liberals got him kicked out of Espn job  and prevented him from owning the ST Louis Ram franchise  BUT seriously if Limbaugh was such a thorn to liberals with his talk show why the hell wouldnt they love to have off the air  and instead being a sports nut or an NFL owner??? Answer : he is not a problem..... maybe even  a good whipping boy as a talk show  host.... 

what kind of conservatism does he represent... urging people to be ditto heads,to "trust him",  he is a Maha Rushie.. such bs condescending stuff..... is that what conservatism is all about(I thought that was liberalism!!!)... dumbing people down, elitism, talking down to people,??

not encouraging people to have their own opinions as opposed to urging people  not to rely on him on anyone.......to have eyes.... otherwise we continue to have a de facto one party system

Time limbaugh was fired,,,,  him and his minions havent done a good job for conservatism,,,,,,because they arent conservative!!!  Talk radio needs a huge overhaul..... Michael Savage is the only one that remotely does America true service

JEFF: Call me what you wish, and take me seriously or not - it doesn't matter to me. You are not a significant factor in what I do or think. No apology necessary. DUANE 

Jeff Dover said:

You are a constitutional subversive.  By your self-appointed authority, you call me by that name, so I'll dub myself with the same authority and say that I believe that you are a constitutional subversive (though how one subverts the constitution is a mystery to me.  It's probably like subverting the menu at McDonald's or something...)

 

Sorry, Duane.  I still can't take you seriously.

JOHN: Limbaugh is exercising his right of free speech and nobody can fire him because he is self employed. His popularity is enormous and I give him credit for that. He likes football and golf and whatever else and if he wants to buy a team or do whatever is legal that is just fine with me. He can run his life and I can run mine. They say it is good to mind your own business and I agree -- you should try that sometime too. DUANE

...John White said:

limbaugh etc are not conservatives(unless your talking about conserving their power base.. their market share)....just business men who give a rats ass for this country and its future

its time to wake up  and stop making cosmetic changes. 

Limbaugh would be just as happy to be an ESPN analyst again or own an NFL team....... sure liberals got him kicked out of Espn job  and prevented him from owning the ST Louis Ram franchise  BUT seriously if Limbaugh was such a thorn to liberals with his talk show why the hell wouldnt they love to have off the air  and instead being a sports nut or an NFL owner??? Answer : he is not a problem..... maybe even  a good whipping boy as a talk show  host.... 

what kind of conservatism does he represent... urging people to be ditto heads,to "trust him",  he is a Maha Rushie.. such bs condescending stuff..... is that what conservatism is all about(I thought that was liberalism!!!)... dumbing people down, elitism, talking down to people,??

not encouraging people to have their own opinions as opposed to urging people  not to rely on him on anyone.......to have eyes.... otherwise we continue to have a de facto one party system

Time limbaugh was fired,,,,  him and his minions havent done a good job for conservatism,,,,,,because they arent conservative!!!  Talk radio needs a huge overhaul..... Michael Savage is the only one that remotely does America true service

well you missed my essence.... Lots of people love Obama too..peoples "love" can be so easily manipulated by the cunning

I bet Hitler was loved too.... and Jesus was crucified (so much for popular opinion)

If you are satisfied with  Maha rushee I understand why AMERICA  is on the brink of suicide..... and who the he two sticks are you to command me to mind my own business???.. such fanaticism makes me wonder if this is a liberal blog.... Sometime I think the USSR  died  but has reincarnated here.

Conservatism shouldnt be attached to a person  but to ideas,,,,,,

JOHN: I never said I loved Rush, I said he had the right to free speech and so do you and I. And I didn't command you to mind your own business, I only suggested it - you can behave however you want as far as I am concerned, as long as I am not affected by it. I agree that conservationism should be based on ideas and not persons, but because ideas cannot promote themselves it takes persons to put them forth. Many persons do that including you and I and Rush and Savage. Sense of Citizens  

John White said:

well you missed my essence.... Lots of people love Obama too..peoples "love" can be so easily manipulated by the cunning

I bet Hitler was loved too.... and Jesus was crucified (so much for popular opinion)

If you are satisfied with  Maha rushee I understand why AMERICA  is on the brink of suicide..... and who the he two sticks are you to command me to mind my own business???.. such fanaticism makes me wonder if this is a liberal blog.... Sometime I think the USSR  died  but has reincarnated here.

Conservatism shouldnt be attached to a person  but to ideas,,,,,,

Jeff, sorry an idea and thought that could have actually accomplished something pretty well killed here. Maybe there will be a another place a reasonable discussion can be held with more competence. This is what I fear happened to Tea party and it's activities and what it stood for. Keep working on conservative party and it will happen. GOP hanging itself daily. Want a real sickening dose watch mccain. Engdahl supported him in total all thru 2010 because he knew he was the "WINNER" Republicans sure WON , didn't they??

Yeah, Wayne, they won in order to block conservatives and stop the assault on Democrat policies!  You've got that right. 

Those claiming to be "conservatives" who still think that the GOP is the answer for conservative voters are either not paying attention or are delusional.  Of course, with the misinformation  campaigns being waged across the nation in media, it's silly to think that there's none of that here.  Some of those vociferous types claiming to be "Tea Party" act in opposition to change instead of fostering it.  And, based on any available evidence, to hold forth that the GOP is or will be an agent for change to conservatism is ridiculous.  Because I don't believe that these people are stupid, I believe that their intent is to be certain that no change happens and to confuse Tea Party members.  The French term would be agents provacateurs.
 
wayne r bauer said:

Jeff, sorry an idea and thought that could have actually accomplished something pretty well killed here. Maybe there will be a another place a reasonable discussion can be held with more competence. This is what I fear happened to Tea party and it's activities and what it stood for. Keep working on conservative party and it will happen. GOP hanging itself daily. Want a real sickening dose watch mccain. Engdahl supported him in total all thru 2010 because he knew he was the "WINNER" Republicans sure WON , didn't they??

That's an interesting comment, John, and I agree somewhat.  I've always thought that at the end of the day, Rush is a businessman running a business.  He has been hugely useful and instrumental in waking people to what Democrat leaders and their minions have been doing, as well as how and why they are doing it.  However, as a businessman, to protect that business, he has to remain on the air.  The Democrats have for years been trying to bring back the "Fairness Doctrine", which would basically put Rush out of business.  If he angered Republican leadership to the point that they  too wanted him gone, they could join Democrats and reinstate that rule with the FCC.  Bye, bye Rush.  So, though sometimes I get bummed by all his analysis coming to no conclusion as to action to correct it, I understand that as a practical matter he really can't get into that.  And with Rush gone, we all lose, including Rush, because no one does what he does as well as he does it.
 
John White said:

limbaugh etc are not conservatives(unless your talking about conserving their power base.. their market share)....just business men who give a rats ass for this country and its future

its time to wake up  and stop making cosmetic changes. 

Limbaugh would be just as happy to be an ESPN analyst again or own an NFL team....... sure liberals got him kicked out of Espn job  and prevented him from owning the ST Louis Ram franchise  BUT seriously if Limbaugh was such a thorn to liberals with his talk show why the hell wouldnt they love to have off the air  and instead being a sports nut or an NFL owner??? Answer : he is not a problem..... maybe even  a good whipping boy as a talk show  host.... 

what kind of conservatism does he represent... urging people to be ditto heads,to "trust him",  he is a Maha Rushie.. such bs condescending stuff..... is that what conservatism is all about(I thought that was liberalism!!!)... dumbing people down, elitism, talking down to people,??

not encouraging people to have their own opinions as opposed to urging people  not to rely on him on anyone.......to have eyes.... otherwise we continue to have a de facto one party system

Time limbaugh was fired,,,,  him and his minions havent done a good job for conservatism,,,,,,because they arent conservative!!!  Talk radio needs a huge overhaul..... Michael Savage is the only one that remotely does America true service

WAYNE, what makes you an expert on me? The truth is that I did not support McCain in total all through 2010. During the 2010 primary I supported Hayworth until he was defeated by McCain, then I supported McCain because any Republican is better than any Democrat. Sense of Citizens, the handbook for the Third Rebellion

wayne r bauer said:

Jeff, sorry an idea and thought that could have actually accomplished something pretty well killed here. Maybe there will be a another place a reasonable discussion can be held with more competence. This is what I fear happened to Tea party and it's activities and what it stood for. Keep working on conservative party and it will happen. GOP hanging itself daily. Want a real sickening dose watch mccain. Engdahl supported him in total all thru 2010 because he knew he was the "WINNER" Republicans sure WON , didn't they??

Duane I checked out your "Sense of Citizens."  Your mission and other steps very well done, and showed some common sense objectives.  I'm confused, your statements here are a contradictory to your "Sense of Citizens---What gives?

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