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McCain-Haney-Hayworth-Bruce Ash??

QUESTION:
Rob Haney and Co. supported Hayworth in the 2010 US Senate race.
Bruce Ash donated 50K to McCain's 2010 US Senate race.
Who originally called Bruce Ash the "Tea Party" Candidate?

ANSWER: Haney

Ask yourself, why then would Haney support someone who donated 50K to McCain's 2010 Campaign?

Bruce Ash was also paying for MCRC office space??

http://sonoranalliance.com/2010/12/09/republican-national-committee...

http://seeingredaz.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/re-bout-haney-counter-p...

 

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Comment by JPD on February 14, 2011 at 6:38am
Respect is earned not bestowed, you don’t know me, you respect what the Tea Party represents where I am just one vocal member.

Independents, non-declared, etc listed as “others” on the voter counts also came from the ranks of the Democrat’s and others. Being fed up with Republican’s for the reasons you identify, I will remain one for the same reason my affiliations and memberships in various organizations are maintained.

I doubt the voters will go for closing the primaries. Our 2012 election includes the presidential race where voter turnout will be even higher, again the voter tallies for R, I & D’s are virtually equal. Independents over all will vote against it, most Democrats will vote against it as will some Republicans. Put it to a vote.

What is Voters for None of the Above?
http://nota.org/aboutvnota.htm

The Commonwealth of Massachusetts
http://nota.org/massbill.htm
Comment by Bruce Ash on February 13, 2011 at 8:11pm

My "need" to respond is due to my respect for you .

 

JPD--most people would conclude the reason so many have switched to independent is because GOP elected officials lost their way and did so many things that were not appreciated by many Republicans. They did not leave us becuase of open or closed primaries. Republicans were alienated from their leaders becuase their leaders did not represent their values and beliefs. I hope we will see a change with the 82 new House members and 6 Senators. It is up to all Americans to keep an eye on these knuckleheads . I hope that you will be one of the millions of Americans who watches these guys. I'll be right alongside you doing so.

Comment by JPD on February 13, 2011 at 5:33pm
Ash,

No offense taken and thank you for engaging.

We shall see if the people wish to reverse their 1999 decision that opened the primary. With almost equal number of voters registered as R. I. & D’s., does the GOP want to alienate the independents?

So much for speculation, it would seem your concern and need to respond would be enough for any reasonable person to conclude otherwise.

As you said “politics is a messy business.”

Indeed I will continue to look form the outside in towards your world. So for giving consideration for the spirit of the Tea Party in the Republican Party – do you have a choice?
Comment by Bruce Ash on February 13, 2011 at 4:33pm

JPD--

 

Interesting spculation about Mr Haney , the AZGOP , McCain, Hayworth et al. Not any facts to back your theory however.

 

You did bring up narcissm......... good point -- that along with ego as well as principles probably do have much to account for in who runs, why they run and motives and not the rest of the conspiracy theories you have opined on.

 

One last thing.........on closing primaries.........you are entitled to your opinion but alot of Republicans are tired of independents influencing GOP primaries. The press to look at closing our primary also has alot to do with creating more relevancy to the party and to the PC's who work so hard to elect our conservative candidates.

 

I'll conclude this missive simply asking where the headquarters for the "independent party" is located and who is the state chairman or national chairman of the "independent party?"

 

I mean you no disrespect but with all of our issues The Republican Party IS a political party and the "independent party " is a fiction  with no accountability, no successes and no "Citizen" candidates or other candidates. I DO sincerely respect and believe in the Tea Party movement and am doing all I can to give voice to the spirit of the movement within the GOP. I hope that you will continue to lead the way for our country thru the Tea Party if that is the direction you wish to do. That is much more than most other folks are doing.

Comment by JPD on February 13, 2011 at 4:13pm
As you I’m a registered Republican, have been all my life. Things are different today; I’m alarmed and no longer satisfied with being just a lowly voter. Having to make a choice between selections made by others who may not have my best interest in mind. My fault too date, but it is never too late to get involved.

I ardently subscribe to the Principal before Party mantra as expounded upon in the Tea Party Patriots, Inc. Mission Statement, http://www.teapartypatriots.org/mission.aspx.

As a republican and member of the non partisan Tea Party Patriots, Inc., (TPP) Greater Phoenix Tea Party Patriots (GPTPP) group. I feel as if I have a voice, however large/small, meek/brash – it’s the people’s movement BASED ON THE GROUND UP CONCEPT, not top down. TPP is having their first National Convention here in Phoenix on February 25, 26 and 27.

My question was, if McCain manipulated Hayworth into running, inferring why Hayworth felt he could run against a sitting Senator and win, both with equal baggage. When history clearly has proven that once removed as was Hayworth, they are never to be returned by the voter.

What I was stating was, maybe the FCC complaint against Hayworth by McCain supporter Grant Woods helped nudge Hayworth into the race? Along with the apparent promise of Tea Party and the Maricopa County Republican Committee (MCRC) support/helpe?
Comment by JPD on February 13, 2011 at 4:12pm
Was Hayworth’s narcissistic nature played to provide McCain a normal and customary opponent he could beat up in the primary allowing the process to ignore the Citizen Candidate?

We can deliver Tea Party support!
MCRC will help!
You can do it!
You can win!

Rob Haney, MCRC Chair, February 18, 2010 on Tax Day Tea Party’s (Liberty First PAC) national site (Eric Odom) endorse Hayworth during the primary using his position of MCRC Chair in a blog post, in violation of MCRC bylaws….. breaking ranks with the State GOP committee, who everyone knows, supported McCain. The Arizona State GOP you contributed heavily to over the years. Again thank you for that support.

Who was standing behind Hayworth February 15 when he announced? Ron Ludders and others who were shown the door at the GPTPP West Valley Group when they started their ‘Tea Party needs to endorse crap’ back in October 2009.

Ron Ludders, Wes Harris and others started the AZ 2010 Project late 2009 so they could endorse candidates. Wes Harris is a McCain guy, Rob Haney is a McCain guy. Maybe I don’t know why things occur in the political atmosphere – that is why things need to change back to For The People By The People…………….. BOTTOM UP.

As for McCain spending $22MM+ to defeat Hayworth: chump change in the scheme of things seeing McCain knew Hayworth would loose based on his internal polling. How many millions does McCain still have in the bank left over from his 2008 bid for president he handed to obama?

McCain’s greatest fear was the Citizen Candidate. The little guy, how do you outspend someone who has no money and no baggage? Maybe that is why at this past Annual State GOP meeting they approved efforts to close the primary off from Independent voters!

Hayworth was run into the ground based on his record along with the attempts by GOP Tea Party Front Groups (some Tea Person’s posing as a group) tried to pass him off as Tea Party.

Recently a major blow has been dealt to Tom Morrissey’s purported Tea
Comment by Bruce Ash on February 13, 2011 at 8:25am

You seem to have a skewed view of politics and why things occur in a political  atmosphere. First, I rather doubt there was any kabal between Senator McCain and JD Hayworth about the engineering the primary election especially in view view of McCain being forced to spend $20MM+ to defeat JD in the primary and JD's good name being run into the ground as a result.

 

Second, I am not a "McCain" person. I AM a Republican. Although far from perfect I have supported McCain, Bush and several others whom I might have had profound disagreement with and disappointment in over the years. I do whatever I can to try and influence events and policy rather than just ascribe motives to them. Rob Haney and I have had differences also but not about leadership and the need to keep maximum pressure on the left and leaders in our own party who show weakness from our conservative agenda.

 

Lastly, as Americans we all are independent thinkers. I support conservative Republican candidates but don't agree with them at all times. My observation with my friends who are part of various Tea Party groups is they have disagreements  over policy and priorities with one another  within their own group and I have noted disagreements on various issues  between Tea Party groups.

 

Dude.......politics is a messy business.

Comment by JPD on February 13, 2011 at 12:55am
Ash,

We have never met.

I may well be mistaken, hard to keep up with everything!

No insider information, just what appears to be looking from the outside in, nor have I made any claim that you are involved in any quid pro quo per se???

Your and your family’s contribution’s of money and time to the GOP and candidates is to be commended.

I retract my statement that you directly “donated 50K to McCain’s 2010 US Senate race.”, based on your post.

Also per your post, it is clear you are a McCain person, and everyone knows McCain is not representative of the Tea Party values whatsoever. That said I’ll rephrase my question about why would Haney support someone who donated 50K to McCain’s Campaign?

Why would Haney support and misrepresent Bruce Ash for State GOP Chair as Tea Party when Ash is a solid McCain person where Haney is a solid Hayworth person?

You seem to be close to McCain, someone in the know. Did McCain directly or indirectly manipulate Hayworth to run against him so he didn’t have to face a true Citizen Candidate?

JPD


Comment by Bruce Ash 19 minutes ago

JPD

This is Bruce Ash..........I'm not sure if we have met. You sound as though you have insider information about my political activities . But you are mistaken.

Let me set the record straight............First, I made NO political contributions to the 2010 Mc Cain campaign. No one asked and he had plenty of money anyways. I stayed out of that election but put plenty of resources elsewhere to help conservative candidates win their elections.

Second, for the record I have supported John McCain in the past when he ran for Senate and when he ran for President. I have never made a secret about that. I not only gave him money in 2008 but I worked for the campaign in New Mexico. I was a Presidential elector and I cast my vote for him in the Electoral College. I never predicated my support of Mr. McCain for any personal favor. I openly supported Rob Haney for his re election to MCRC chairman.
Comment by Bruce Ash on February 12, 2011 at 11:23pm

JPD

 

This is Bruce Ash..........I'm not sure if we have met. You sound as though you have insider information about my political activities . But you are mistaken.

 

Let me set the record straight............First, I made NO political contributions to the 2010 Mc Cain campaign. No one asked and he had plenty of money anyways. I stayed out of that election but put plenty of resources elsewhere to help conservative candidates win their elections.

 

Second, for the record I have supported John McCain in the past when he ran for Senate and when he ran for President. I have never made a secret about that. I not only gave him money in 2008 but I worked for the campaign in New Mexico. I was a Presidential elector and I cast my vote for him in the Electoral College. I never predicated my support of Mr. McCain for any personal favor. I openly supported Rob Haney for his re election to MCRC chairman. Believe it or not I supported him for the same reasons as I supported McCain. They were both the best for the jobs they sought ( and I am certain my observation would make both of them laugh ).The only thing either of these men "owe" me is to do the best job they can. I hope they both suceed. Politics is funny that way. suppose.

 

I am not sure if Mr. McCain would have been any more successful in the last two years had he been elected POTUS but I think you would agree we have done far worse with the person who was elected. If I could have given McCain more support in that election I would have gladly done so to avoid the train wreck we have endured since 2009.

 

Now as to any gifts I have made of money or in kind services to the GOP...... I have done what I can to help our cause. I have rarely spoken about the support I have given becuase it would be in poor taste to do so. I have done all I can to help conservative candidates get elected. I have never done so with any expectation of reward except the simpl

Comment by JPD on February 11, 2011 at 8:02pm

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