I see and hear of a lot of the dangers and problems that are happening in our state because of our weak borders. I firmly believe in the need to secure our borders, and I realize of course that if something isn't done it will get much much worse. My question is not whether we should do something, it's whether what is being done is the right thing. I assume (since whenever I see a group of tea partiers holding signs there are usualy a few promoting sb1070) that the majority here are in favor of the immigration law. I am wondering if that is true or if there are some who feel there must be a better solution. I recently met a sweet lady who was Native American (Hopi). As we talked somehow our conversation turned to this topic and she told me how the other day a police officer had stopped her to check her ID assuming she was latino because of the color of her skin! What bothered her even worse than that was that quite frequently her sons coming home late from working (legaly) at the mall would be stopped by the police. They would be forced to sit on the curb the cops were very rude and would treat her own children like crimimals! just for coming home from work. The issue is of course not that they were Hopi and not Latino, the issue is the fact the our law enforcement in our supposedly free country had the authority to do that. Isn't it clear that if freedom can be taken away from someone else in this country it can be taken away from you? Surrendering authority to the government is a slippery slope, I know this law has good intentions behind it but how many good intentions have great negative consequences? My question is this: Because the federal government has neglected to do it's job in reinforcing the border does that give that local state government reason to justify the overuse and abuse of it's authority? I think that is a rational that we could see looking back in ten years from now could get us into a lot of trouble. How can we say we stand for freedom and at the same time support such a law just because it doesn't apply to us because of our skin color or social stature? Shouldn't we persist in fighting by whatever peaceful means necessary to get the federal government to enforce the border? I don't intend this blog to be offensive or incite anger if you disagree and would like to say why great please do, but more specificaly I am hoping some of you agree with me on at least some accounts, I would be very interested to know that you do, and also to hear any solutions that you may have. Thank You.

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Comment by Vince Ansel on April 4, 2011 at 11:14pm
Yeah! I have been getting e-mail notifications that certain members have responded to this blog. When I copy and paste the e-mail link to this web site to read the commentary, nothing by that particular member is posted. This is a bit disconcerting and confusing. Does anyone know what is going on?
Comment by Jerry A. Stein(AKA VNVet52) on April 4, 2011 at 1:02pm

Speaking as a former cop, I want all you" we were racially profiled" nuts to stand on a major thoroughfare and tell me the race of the drivers going by. Then do it by being in back of some cars. Good luck! The solution is simple!

Empower all Sworn officers of the law to ask one simple question of ALL contacts. "Of what country are you a citizen?" If you ever crossed a U.S. border you were asked. Also we would catch Visa over stays( of which there are Millions of Europeans, Africans, Asians, and South Americans). As an American you should not be offended, in fact you should hold your head high as you reply " the United States of America". take this from a former Immigration Inspector.

Comment by Vince Ansel on April 3, 2011 at 11:07am
If there have been any missteps by Phoenix Police in policy and overall attitude and demeanor, just point the finger of blame at the "so called" leadership of that body. First you have "Double Dipping" Jack Harris who has made it his life's ambition to rip off the taxpayer by his double dipping antics as well as his demoralizing effects on the rank and file. He also has effectively earned the reputation of having his nose buried so far up Mayor Phil Gordon's posterior that he may as well be considered a parasitic outgrowth protruding from this Mayor. Now, as for Phil Gordon........this mealy mouthed, poor excuse for a man, leftist jerk has mismanaged this City from day one. He continues to defend his taxpayer financed, world wide romps with girl friend in tow as somehow being beneficial to the City he is supposedly leading. If there is any problem with Phoenix Police....there it is in a nutshell! However, most of the Rank and File are fine individuals and are doing the best that they can given what they have to work with. SB 1070 is good legislation and much needed, given the fact that the Feds have been remiss in their duties! It can only be assumed that any interpretation of this being "racist" legislation has an agenda that is contrary to enforcing the laws that hold this country together!
Comment by Moxie on April 2, 2011 at 12:15pm

This has always puzzled me: These "stories" are always "after dark" or "at night" how then does a police officer signaling for a vehicle to pull over "after dark" or "at night", lets not forget the fact that 99.9%  of vehicles have tinted windows, my guess; how does this officer determine that the individual driving is of questionable "citizenship status" if the officer cannot see the occupant?

First the officer must decide that the driver of the vehicle is going to be pulled over for something the first not being the color of their skin since that is not determinable beforehand, the initial reason is the driver has committed some type of traffic violation or perhaps the vehicle fits the description of a APB and for those reasons is initially pulled over. It is only after the officer has pulled them over, began the initial communication that a possible "illegal alien" violation might be in question. However, how might an officer come to this first assumption, lets see every individual that is pulled over knows that they must have three very crucial documents on their person or in their vehicle. One is a valid driver's license, the other is a vehicle registration (this must match the make, model, year, and of course the tags and plate), and proof of insurance. So once the officer has determined the three documents are in order the driver gets a citation, or a warning and is sent on their way. However there are other factors that the officer has been trained to look for that may give cause to detain the driver and other occupants of the vehicle. By law all law enforcement can do this if it is determined there is probable cause or reasonable suspicion. So I would suffice it to say that when driving a vehicle at any time we had better be doing it legally and be legal.

The law states:  3C. A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not consider race, color or national origin in the enforcement of this section except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution.

Of course, as Silent Warrior mentioned, there will be those that complain, and exaggerate their story in order to lay doubt to SB1070 however common sense tells us that even without such a bill police officers, if they so choose, could racially profile.

Scott, what better answer do you seek? Close the borders, deport all illegals without question (family, ie kids, mother, father, aunt, uncle, cousins) they go with them if breaking up families is the concern. We come down, and I mean come down hard on DES, DOE, HUD, and all other agencies catering to the illegal vermin sucking every last monetary and susidiary benefit they can from us. Government must be reemed and I mean hard.

Anchor babies must be halted the representative's in the Capitol let us down! I don't give two hoots how tired THEY are of all this "illegal" legislation! They better pull their heads out cause I am keeping track!

One last thing, if you did not grow up here, did not go to the public schools or work here your entire life then you don't have the experience nor the knowledge of what it was like then and how it is now.

I am of Latin, Sicilian and Wylaki Indian descent I was discriminated against and not by white people, but by the Mexicans. I did not speak their language therefore I did not honor my heritage. Even then their ignorance was blatantly obvious. There prejudice was a daily occurence for me. They were the worst racial profilers and they are there own worst enemy now!

Comment by Art and Edwina Olivas on April 2, 2011 at 11:08am
 EL TUDY is difending your right of free speach that all my family that have been in the service of our country has fought for!!!!! SO you see you are free to be as stupit as you can be.You also sound a lot like RODGER<DODGER>EDGAR. For somebody as Closed minded as you should be placed where you can't hurt yourself    
Comment by El Chivo on April 2, 2011 at 7:39am

Viewpoint09 & Scott Inside You heard from us,now you should go over with your friends at Huffington Post.

Comment by Art and Edwina Olivas on April 1, 2011 at 11:18pm
  I will say it one more time YOU FULL OF BULL S--T. you say a lot of nothing. Your intelligents is coming out of your rear end. That is all I have to say to you.  
Comment by Art and Edwina Olivas on April 1, 2011 at 7:47pm
 Viewpoint when you start with your religious B-S I now know where you are coming from. You see the churchs are the ones that live off the ilegals just like the so called activast. ILEGALS AND THIER BABIES JUST WANT TO BE AMERICAN.
Comment by Art and Edwina Olivas on April 1, 2011 at 1:37pm
Viewpoint04 YOU like SCOTT sound so full of bull S--T. With your they say storys. That I think you 2 better take your heads out of where you have them and start telling what you know. That is if you know any thing. Stop this rumores and tell the truth if you can if you can't just try harder!! Art O. EL TUDY MEXICAN BANDIT.     
Comment by Vince Ansel on March 31, 2011 at 10:13pm
Scott......I,m not one to gang up on anyone normally but you're pretty much asking for it. I and others here have given you a clear and concise picture (from many angles) that SB 1070 is solid legislation. The people responding to you are intelligent individuals who have thought this subject out very well. Yet you continue to dismiss their opinions and insist that there must be "some other way" to address Illegal Immigration. Is this a trick question like "what is the sound of one hand clapping"? I would venture to say at this point that you are deriving some sort of perverse pleasure by watching Conservatives jump through hoops or you may have some other bizarre agenda by beating this dead horse. To say that you will  respond to only those who have "another solution" is just pure arrogance and elitism. Nice try Scott, but I think your "quest for knowledge" has lost credibility with this group. Don't worry about me.......you don't have to respond (LOL)!  

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